Why not Mary?

Why Not Mary (the very mother of Jesus)?

How dangerous a game the Roman Catholic church plays in the face of God? When we study the Book and become followers of Jesus Christ the Roman Catholic church remains a daunting pillar of enticement due to its share size and prominence in the evangelical world.

Yet it is not serving God nor does it have its Christology right. The Roman Catholic church has engrossed itself in so many apostasies that from a PfoJC view it is simply hardly recognisable as being Christian.

Taking a reformed view I am constantly trying to justify why this mammoth is so intent on worshipping Mary (the mother of Jesus Christ). It beggars belief that the Roman Catholic church actually promotes such blasphemy.

My view sometimes is tainted by the fact that God has on more occasions than once allowed me glimpses of the future. God being God and Jesus being God means that our Triune God will undoubtedly be much better at it than we can even imagine. God our father is beyond time and we can not even try to understand being beyond time. Can we even truly contemplate what "before the foundations of the earth" means?

"just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world" from Ephesians 1  ..?

And Jesus knew this demonic worship of Mary would arise!

Jesus preempts the worship of Mary: Luk 11:27 While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed."
Luk 11:28 But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it." (NASB)

and also here:

Mar 3:31 Then His mother and His brothers *arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him.
Mar 3:32 A crowd was sitting around Him, and they *said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside looking for You."
Mar 3:33 Answering them, He *said, "Who are My mother and My brothers?"
Mar 3:34 Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He *said, "Behold My mother and My brothers!
Mar 3:35 "For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother."  (NASB)

In both these cases, an opportunity presented itself that Jesus could teach His disciples and followers to worship Mary. Yet He actually diverts attention away from Mary knowing that this apostate lies in the future.

How do we face down the commands of God:


Before the foundation of the World


No Other Gods



Gods supremacy displayed in Exodus.

God’s Supremacy.

How amazing is the triune God that we serve? Just sit for a moment and think about this!

Let’s roll back time to that moment when the Israelites  were just coming out of Egypt. Society as the Jews knew it was dominated by idols and massive statues. The Jewish nation had been in captivity for 400 years, in slavery under their masters the Egyptians.

God sends Moses and pulls this ragamuffin group out from the supremacy of their Egyptian masters. There is absolutely no saving possible for the Jews without the supreme hand of God and his intervention. The Jews were nothing, they had nothing except God. It can be argued that they were not even a coherent nation.

Now the society, of Jews, only knows idols, pyramids, statues of lions cats dogs and all sorts of strange things that they have been carving for their masters. Each pharaoh wanted a bigger and better tomb or statue to have him remembered by.

Now we roll time forward to that moment that God gives the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20; (and remember and fathom that these are the written words of the Almighty God)

and God spoke to Moses saying ” I am the Lord your God, I brought you out of the land of Egypt, away from slavery and bondage. You are to have no other gods or idols before me. You shall not fabricate or make in any form shape or size any images or anything that is like anything that is in heaven above or on the earth below or that wonders in the expanses of the ocean. You shall not bow down or serve them because I the Lord your God am a jealous God.” (Para)

How ultimately awesome and pure is this command from God. It just does not make sense that this could have come from anywhere else except the very thoughts and mind of God himself. It is so perfect in every way. The society of Jews who found themselves now in the middle of the desert had been in a society which worshipped idols, built pyramids and a prolific number of statues. They did not live there, they were enslaved there, therefore their minds would have been tainted and skewed by this background. It would make sense to the Jews that their instinct would be to build the biggest possible statue or memorial for their God.

Yet completely out of context, and correctly, God commands no idols, no idols or memorials of any kind whatsoever. One of the amazing premises of this command is that it establishes the Spiritual existence and supremacy of our God. It also further falls in line with the amazing ability for us to find him anywhere and everywhere in the world. We who serve him do not have to pilgrimage to a stone pair of legs in the Sinai desert and bow there to find him. We do not need to enter Mecca or go to Jerusalem to be able to experience his presence.

God in his infinite wisdom has managed to churchify himself in the existence of our most sacred place, our minds and spirits.

Jesus comes and writes the final chapter, he the gatekeeper and custodian of the Holy Spirit brings us the Spiritual baptism. You become the sculptured Image of God. Your Christian brother needs your alms and each one of you become the brickwork that builds the greatest church that the world has ever seen.

The evidence speaks for itself, how can we possibly think or doubt the absolute truth of the written word of God. The ragamuffin Jewish nation saved from the clutches of the Egyptians could not, of their own accord, have written the words in Exodus. Having left Egypt, they would have had no formal social structure and God because he is God graced them with the 10 commandments and a new social structure. This was just grace upon grace and only as perfectly as God could do it. This Bible and the commandments as given by God  formed the foundation of civilisation as we know it today.


Prayer ~ Submission to the Holy Spirit


Dear father God we approach you in the name of your son Jesus Christ, please grant us your Holy Council,

we hand over our body and all its faculties, in total submission to your divine Holy Spirit.

May your peace come to rest on our hearts and minds so that we can be quiet and listen to your loving words and kindness.

We ask that you open our ears and eyes that we may understand and comprehend with our hearts your Word.

Bless our participation here with you today as we study and learn about your one and only son Jesus Christ.

We thank you and praise you for the wonderful love and security that you grant us through the love and grace of the Godheart of You our triune God.

 (Reference : pfoJC docs : 120527 Saul and David)

The Call to Unity ~ by Beth Turner

Do you hear the trumpet call?

The call to gather,

the calling together,

the voice crying out in the desert, ‘make straight the way of the Lord’,

the summoning of the Father ‘build up, build up, prepare the road! Remove the obstacles out of the way of my people’

and the crying of the son for His bride to be one.


This is the yearning, the churning in my heart,

the thirst for the first on His heart.

To leave behind the divisions that were brought about by the visions of those whose security was found in religions.

Instead to inherit the inheritance,

the ground taken,

the dreams that were forsaken,

the momentum that brought us here,

the goals buried due to fear.

To reach over the walls that at present we lean on

and join back together the limbs of the bride who for too long

has lain disjointed

not dancing the dance of love to which she was appointed.

Let this be our vision,

to love without measure

and to always behold the treasure

in the soul of the person that to know appears to be far from a pleasure.

To live life not by whimsical principles, tainted until they’ve fainted due to the culture by which they’re repeatedly painted,

but to live by the principles of the Prince himself,

the kingdom of the King.


Let’s no longer dispute over doctrine or form,

but unify in healing the heart of our nation that has been torn


Let us gather at the banqueting table

and drink and eat until we’re unable

to do anything but love

unreservedly, unconditionally, authentically.

And let love be the banner under which we assemble,

and Jesus be the one that to look on we resemble.

This is my prayer,

for the church to wake up,

to shake up,

to choose to be hungry,

to choose to be angry

and real,

to choose to feel,

and not reel away from the orphans that steal,

the orphans who cheat, who lie, who truth be told, are scared to die.

That we would love them exactly as they are,

all covered in tar,

in soot,

in rags,

in a shiny car,

in a top paid job,

in a business suit,

or with a tough guy walk and stolen goods in the boot,

in the media, in the club, in the supermarket, in the pub.

In the rain when I’m worn out

because it’s not me that it’s about.


I’m sure of this that we hold the answer

to why the girl with the gift never became the dancer,

to why the boy born a prophet lives unaware

of the heavenly secrets concealed in the air,

to why the one with a leader’s voice

never realised they had the choice

to live the dream,

to choose the option,

and here we are with the door

to adoption

through which comes the sound of the Father affirming

‘I love you and it’s not due to earning,

It’s simply because I do’.


Church, arise from your slumber,

fall in love again with the one you fell asleep beholding and since have only beheld in your dreams,

unable to touch.

It seems

there’s a stirring,

an excitement burning,

a renewed mind we’re learning,

a blank page we’re turning to write the next chapter of the history book.

It’s a revival chapter, look,

can you feel it coming?

an earthquake that shook

the very hearts of the angels that are assigned to this age

to welcome the King’s coming at every stage

through the story of time

that is now yours and mine.



Beth Turner ~ 25/08/2011

Are you Christian or Disciple (DoC)?

Are you a Christian or Disciple (DoC)

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” (John 13:34-35) (NASB)

You can read John 13 here.


There are these moments when you suddenly realise that you are looking into the very heart of God. Everything you have ever thought, and everything that you have experienced that has been of God resonates with the truth that is revealed to you.

This final command which is given by our Lord Jesus Christ to his disciples, at their last meal, encapsulates for me the whole of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. (John13:34 – 35)

Let’s start out by setting the scene. Jesus, whom we know is both man and God is about to enter and fulfil the prophecy of the Messiah. (Isaiah 53: 1-6)This honour which Father has laid on His shoulders will burden him with the sins of the world. How easily that is said? Because he is, really is, and he is “I am!” He knows what lies ahead in the next hours.


His nation, His disciples, His followers, will deny Him and mercilessly throw Him at the feet of the most vicious rulers that the world knew at that time. Yet Rome finds him innocent, but his own kind drive him to the cross. He knows that although the whole of the old Testament predicted his coming, they will deny him his right as their King. Judaism will crucify Him. (Psalm 22 – the crucifixion through Jesus’s eyes.)

He knows, that even though the nation has witnessed the the miracles he has performed and experienced the full love of God his skin will literally be flayed from his body (John 19) and every ounce of humanity will be wretched and torn out of him.

Then, as if that total loneliness of having to face the trials and tribulations leading up to the point where He is hung on the cross is not enough, He will be totally alone discarded and despised by humanity, and Father will turn his face away as he descends into hell on behalf of mankind. Then man cloaked in the blood of Jesus, his righteousness is restored, graced by love alone we approach the throne of our Father.

“Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” (Luke 23:34)

Jesus, with full knowledge of this excruciating tribulation which faces Him starts this last supper by washing the feet of his disciples. (John 13 you can read it here ) Not only is this action a pure symbol of servitude but also a demonstration of his love for them. Can you for one moment imagine what “The Son of man” was thinking and feeling as he carried out this simple humble and radical act of kindness. He is about to demonstrate the final sacrifice for our righteousness, and in all humility He bends, takes his disciples dirty feet one by one and washes them with tender love and kindness.

During this supper with his disciples Jesus gives this command :

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” (John 13:34-35) (NASB)

When we read John 13 we get caught up in so many other things that happen in this chapter that we often overlook this command. John 13 is so full of predictions of the coming crucifixion, and forms an integral part of our knowledge of what is to follow. This command of love which Jesus gives to his disciples is critically important because it displays and commands our lives as Disciples of Christ (DoC).

The word Christian in the Bible was never used by our Lord as a description of his followers. It is only used three times in the new Testament, and to a point it is a derogatory term, where it is used to refer to people who follow “the way”. Jesus referred to his followers as Disciples. Andy Stanley in his series about “Christian” accurately portrays how nebulous the word Christian is. He also points out how binding and well defined the nomenclature of being a Disciple is. This last command given by our Lord Jesus Christ fully describes his approaching sacrifice for us all, it is the encapsulating message of our relationship with God, one another and mankind.

Are you a Christian or a Disciple?

To find out if you are Christian or a disciple I suggest you watch the series by Andy Stanley:


It is really important to watch the first video in the series:


Let us as disciples of Christ (DoC’s) draw people in by displaying  to them our love for one another, never measuring the mile we have to go, and then extending our Lord’s love to humanity and  mankind around us.



God is Truth

Nothing can be more degrading for God than man trying to understand God in man terms.

When we approach this awesome God and our mind is constricted by known physics and science then we are simply inadequate in every sense of the word and we are blaspheming God. So how does this go when we try to understand Genesis 1.

Gen 1:2  The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
Gen 1:3  Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

and now here before you stands the God of the biggest Bang man can ever be witness to.

Science is nothing more than man discovering God’s creation. We are often told we must learn from History so that we don’t repeat the mistakes that were made in the past. Well what I learn from history is that the science of the day is the not the final frontier. Science often gets it completely wrong and then we discover the next step in the infinite climb to knowledge. Today’s science is yesterdays lies.

Isa 25:1  O LORD, You are my God; I will exalt You, I will give thanks to Your name; For You have worked wonders, Plans formed long ago, with perfect faithfulness.  (NASB)

and further in this Passage (Isa 25) in verses 6 to 9 Isaiah talks the Lord prepares the feast of the finest Spiritual delights. (Jesus) The veil of Satanic blindness that covers and shrouds the nations will be lifted by the death conqueror (Jesus).

Isa 25:6  And on this Mount [Zion] shall the Lord of hosts make for all peoples a feast of rich things [symbolic of His coronation festival inaugurating the reign of the Lord on earth, in the wake of a background of gloom, judgment, and terror], a feast of wines on the lees–of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
Isa 25:7  And He will destroy on this mountain the covering of the face that is cast over the heads of all peoples [in mourning], and the veil [of profound wretchedness] that is woven and spread over all nations.
Isa 25:8  He will swallow up death [in victory; He will abolish death forever]. And the Lord God will wipe away tears from all faces; and the reproach of His people He will take away from off all the earth; for the Lord has spoken it. [I Cor. 15:26, 54; II Tim. 1:10.]
Isa 25:9  It shall be said in that day, Behold our God upon Whom we have waited and hoped, that He might save us! This is the Lord, we have waited for Him; we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation.

In trying to understand God our humanity always tries to get the better of us. God the father is dimensionless in time, Jesus his son came to earth and displayed, in man terms, miracles, that went beyond death itself. He raised them from death and then did it himself. His miracles walked among us and still today his miracles walk among us. Then the most awesome of all things happened, the Holy Spirit was given to us.

If we can comprehend that the Holy Spirit is here amongst us, in us, and part of those who are in the Spirit then which boundaries would you put on Gods infinite capacity.

All mankind are made of flesh but in that flesh dwells a spirit. The question is is it a spirit or a Spirit? John 14:9 to 11 is a gift and reward that is available to all who seek God. We cannot make fruit without being grafted into the True vine, you me or any one else cannot bare the fruit if the Spirit does not flow through us as the branch. If we abide in Him we will bare fruit, but of our own accord we bare no fruit and the Father will cut us off. (John 15:1-2)

There is no limit to the infinite Triune God. He breathed the universe and all the stars into existence.(Psa 33:6, Heb 11:3, 2 Pet 3:5) We have no chance of understanding Him we can only look on in awe and use our minuscule children’s eyes when we glance in His direction. It has to be the fleetest of glances, because if we looked and truly saw we would die. (Exodus 33:20)

Governed by God’s calling grace

The Question “Governed by God’s calling grace” where does it all start?

From 2 Timothy 1.

2Ti 1:7  For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline.

2Ti 1:8  Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God,

2Ti 1:9  who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity,  ( NASB )

The apostle Paul trusted his life to Christ. No one else could have delivered Paul through the insecurities and trials of his life and subsequent death. After the road to Damascus Paul set upon a journey which in the end would lead him to death for his cause. Paul knew that this would be the case. Yet he ran the race gladly and thoroughly under the constant guidance of the Holy Spirit that linked him to our Triune God and this is true for all of Jesus apostles except two Judas Iscariot and John.

If you are of the Spirit then it is certain that we all have our own (secret) journey in this mortal life with God. Setting aside the primary question which is “is God real?” What happens after this point, the individual accepting that God is real has enormous implications on his/her life, even more so in this day and age. In this day and age, we are post Darwin*, the evolution theorist, and society in general wants to measure everything by prodding and poking it. The problem with spiritual Christianity is the process to the solution only has a finite result and the path from start to finish is mostly a personal experience.

Herein lies the biggest problem with those of the flesh, they have to deny God because they do not experience God. Joh 3:3  Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.You have to be of the Spirit to see the things of the Spirit. Jesus in John 3 is revealing to us a truth which courses through Christianity to this very day. The spiritual rebirth of each unique individual is sanctioned by God and requires complete and total submission of the person (in his Spirit) to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

 Then also 2Co 4:4  “in whose case the god of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”

 Our belief systems after the primary acceptance, revelation and interaction with God are then shaped and molded by the extent that we allow the spiritual world (calling heaven to earth) into our lives. To a greater and lesser extent our entry and experience of God’s world is determined by our willingness to subject ourselves to his Word firstly and fore-mostly. Subsequently our interaction with the Holy Spirit in prayer. constant prayer, will determine the boundaries of our experience. In everything thereafter it is the Word that will resonate or reject our understanding of the guidance given by the Spirit.

 The world for a Christian can either be governed and controlled by the rigidity of a specific religion, such as Catholicism or Methodist. The alternative is to release yourself from the rigidity imposed by all these “isms” and freely explore the boundless realm offered to you by the Scriptures. Pray into your life an unfathomable hunger for the Word.

 Pray into your life the revelation of Jesus through your new companion the Holy Spirit and submit your all to Him.

 For no prophecy made by man will ecco and resonate without the  support of the Holy Spirit.  2 Peter 1:21

 Then cry out to all “Jesus is Lord” he is my Lord and my God. (1 Co 12:3b “no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.” )

 1Pe 5:10  After you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself perfect, confirm, strengthen and establish you.

 2Co 5:17  Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.


(* “You need more faith to believe in Darwin!”, the problem with evolution and Darwin’ism is that it is all theory, there is absolutely no scientific proof to support the evolution theory. It is only a theory, and a bad one at that because all science disproves it.)

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